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Re: [at-l] What about that Warren Doyle story?



Could someone please tell me who this Warren character is? 

On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Arthur Gaudet wrote:

> I met AB at Trail Days, and then in PA this year (I was SoBo from NY/CT to
> Pearisburg). I also met Warren in Swatara Gap and we talked. I've met him 4
> times now. After my hike was finished I had a chance to visit with AB at
> The Cabin in Andover and he told me the same story about being abandoned on
> K. At Katahdin they entered BSP just after midnight and hiked to Katahdin
> Stream in the dark, then went right on up to the peak. AB said that they
> had to sneak into Baxter because Warren won't apply for the required group
> entry permit. Anyway, at Thoreau Springs Warren made the comment you heard
> about, then descended quickly (I think he must have summitted already). He
> had a ride out of the park already arranged. The group had to get back to
> their van, at Abol Bridge, and then arrange to return the van to the rental
> firm, then get home, all on their own.
> 
> This year Warren had some curious "group" thing going on, a sort of pledge
> between members of the group to stay together, support each other, etc. AB
> says that was pretty good up to the point where Warren started to break his
> own rules. Of course there was always an appropriate excuse for Warren's
> straying, but no excuse was good enough for the others, including AB. This
> bothered AB quite a lot until he got to the point that he realized it was
> ruining his trip. At that point he decided to focus on himself and not let
> Warren's antics bother him.
> 
> The other thing from this year: after PA I was kind of following in Doyle's
> footsteps for a week or two, and no one was happy with their experience of
> the slackpack tour. At Port Clinton the other thruhikers were upset at the
> way Doyle took over the shelter space, thinking he was bossy and arrogant.
> At Delaware Water Gap he's managed to alienate Pastor Nichols. Other places
> don't like the fact that he's running a business on the trail.
> 
> btw, in the White's there's now a requirement that anyone leading a group
> have a guide permit. I have one in order to bring AMC groups into the
> Whites as a volunteer leader. A profit making enterprise has to pay a
> percentage $$ for each group that uses the Whites. This is probably why
> Warren wants to keep a low profile as he goes through WMNF. (I think other
> National Forests may have this requirement...).
> 
> RockDancer
> >Ramkitten here again (I know, I post too much):
> >
> >I met the "Doylies" (as some of us referred to them...but didn't mean it to
> >be derogatory) a couple times along the way this year. Really friendly group
> >of people, including Anonymous Badger who thru-hiked on his own and with a
> >pack in '99, I believe. First time was in the Shenandoah to about the Bear's
> >Den area just south of Harper's Ferry. Then we spent some time with them at
> >The Cabin in Andover after they'd summitted Katahdin. ANYWAY, I don't know
> >about the specific incident/s RockDancer mentioned, but I do know they camped
> >"illegally" quite often. They didn't stay at shelters. (Warren wouldn't let
> >them, basically.)  Warren didn't "believe" in hostels, either.  They'd meet
> >up at their van at the end of each long day (they were given only three or
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